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  1. #31
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    Yes - should work. We've done this...

    You need to use an active Dual-Link DVI adaptor to connect to the X4
    But - do test the playback and ensure the movies are running at the correct speed - don't just rely on the frame counter... check against a real-time source.

    I would use the DVI-DA option rather than 2x Datapath X4 as will put less load on the system (and probably be a cheaper option)

    However, the image rotation can be done in catalyst with the mix windows... you don't have to do this with the X4.

    Whatever you do - TEST TEST TEST... MacPro 6,1 and mavericks are new technology and we are finding new idiosyncrasies every day!...
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    OK thanks for getting back to me,
    The active Dual Link adapters, can I use the apple one that is bus powered? Or should I get something that has an actual AC adapter to it?

    I am not as concerned about real time clock as it is just loops for an install, I just need to make sure all 3 screens are in sync as they will form a vertical panorama so to speak. Sync IDs should be fine internally I would hope.

    In your experience, in terms of performance load on the machine, does it make more sense to play back 1 x 4k file and just split it up with offsets in the mix windows or play back 4 x 1080? I have never been able to actually try this side by side and see yet, just curious

    I think just because I want to use less layers I will do 1 x 4k and split it up....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5th Element View Post
    OK thanks for getting back to me,
    The active Dual Link adapters, can I use the apple one that is bus powered?
    use the apple MDP to Dual-Link adaptor which is USB powered

    Quote Originally Posted by 5th Element View Post
    I am not as concerned about real time clock as it is just loops for an install,
    YES YOU DO NEED TO ME CONCERNED!!... what I meant was that you need to ensure that the content is playing back correctly and check the expected length against a 'real-world' clock to ensure that it is not playing slow.
    Or it may look glitchy and suttery if you are over-driving the system...
    You should be especially concerned if you were considering syncing 3 different layers - how would you guarantee they were in sync and not skipping frames???

    Quote Originally Posted by 5th Element View Post
    I just need to make sure all 3 screens are in
    sync as they will form a vertical panorama so to speak.
    a single layer running 1 video file assigned to 3 mixes will work.
    The image in the 3 mixes need to be rotated, offset.
    The mixes then need to be positined to lineup with the X4 window settings.

    Quote Originally Posted by 5th Element View Post
    Sync IDs should be fine internally I would hope.
    wrong aproach... (see above)

    Quote Originally Posted by 5th Element View Post
    In your experience, in terms of performance load on the machine, does it make more sense to play back 1 x 4k file and just split it up with offsets in the mix windows
    yes
    but 4K not required
    3x 1920x1080 vertical screens = 3240x1920

    Quote Originally Posted by 5th Element View Post
    or play back 4 x 1080? I have never been able to actually try this side by side and see yet, just curious
    possible - but no point if you use the mix window approach...

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  4. #34
    OK cool,
    Thanks for all the help Simon,

    Yes I suppose I do not need a 4k, since I can do 1920 as a height, good call...

    For the sake of argument though, if I had 3240 x 1920 or three 1920x1080 files playing, which do you think would be more efficient on the system?
    I tend to think more smaller files, but I have no basis for this assumption other than I feel like larger files tend to just not be handled well by anything.

  5. #35
    Also there are so many options for the Mac Pro, what options should I be looking for to do this kind of setup with 1 output to an x4, doing 3240 x 1080?
    I am trying to quote this out and I don't really have access to many models to find the best one for the job at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5th Element View Post
    For the sake of argument though, if I had 3240 x 1920 or three 1920x1080 files playing, which do you think would be more efficient on the system?
    I tend to think more smaller files, but I have no basis for this assumption other than I feel like larger files tend to just not be handled well by anything.
    Either option will work - but your workflow will be easier with a single file.
    bear in mind that it doesnt have to be exactly the same pixel size... it could be smaller so long as its the same ratio (and an even number)
    Just watch the data rate on a single large file.
    Only way to find out is to TEST.

    Quote Originally Posted by 5th Element View Post
    Also there are so many options for the Mac Pro, what options should I be looking for to do this kind of setup with 1 output to an x4, doing 3240 x 1080?
    I am trying to quote this out and I don't really have access to many models to find the best one for the job at the moment.
    Base spec should do it fine...
    or if you have the budget, the base spec with the top spec graphics card.

    Try and borrow one to test first if you're worried...
    Don't rely on other peoples test results.

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  7. #37
    Hi,

    I tried this m466 on a retina macbook over ML (Mac OS 10.8.6),
    with a thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor,
    I got a recurring "Network output error -1" like if it doesn't recognize the Ethernet port.
    The rest seemed to work pretty well.

    Exact same setup on m364 worked like a charm, including ArtNET input/output.
    Is this m466 release supposed to be compatible with 10.8 ?

    I will try next week the same setup on 10.9 and I'll tell you.

  8. #38
    No, m466 is mavericks only to my knowledge, network library or something is different. So 364 will give you that same error on mavericks and vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuckEater View Post
    Hi,
    I tried this m466 on a retina macbook over ML (Mac OS 10.8.6),
    with a thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor,
    I got a recurring "Network output error -1" like if it doesn't recognize the Ethernet port. - ie whatever adaptor
    The rest seemed to work pretty well.

    Exact same setup on m364 worked like a charm, including ArtNET input/output.
    Ignore that...
    Network / Artnet connectivity should still work. However, due to the network library changes, The Catalyst Control window only shows information for network port en0 (compared to any versions prior to m466)

    en0 is the first physical network port on a Mac. However, this varies depending on the Mac hardware (MacBook / Mac-Mini / MacPro)
    On a MacBook, en0 is the wi-fi adaptor
    on a Mac-Mini and MacPro its the Rj45 port

    If you are using a Thunderbolt-ethernet or USB to Ethernet adaptor, it will probably appear as en1 on a MacBook

    However - the port id doesn't matter - so long as the IP address and Subnet are valid, it should work fine for both Artnet input and output.

    Quote Originally Posted by DuckEater View Post
    Is this m466 release supposed to be compatible with 10.8 ?

    I will try next week the same setup on 10.9 and I'll tell you.
    m466 works fine in both instances on MacPro 5,1 OS 10.6.8 / 10.8.5 / 10.9.2
    and MacPro 6,1 OS 10.9.2

    Quote Originally Posted by 5th Element View Post
    No, m466 is mavericks only to my knowledge, network library or something is different. So 364 will give you that same error on mavericks and vice versa.
    Not vice-versa:
    m364 will not work in Mavericks OS 10.9.x
    Only m466 will work in Mavericks OS 10.9.x
    m466 will also work in OS 10.6.8 / 10.8.5

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    The second time I can't update Text at inbuilt web server in visual fx nº 97, it says: Safari can't open the web.
    And too it insert "textMUnumber=" in all texts.
    It isn't only my problem ¿¿¿???
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