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  1. #1

    OS X Lion 10.7

    It's new, it's nice, it's got bells and whistles....

    It just doesn't play nice with Catalyst.

    Not at all
    SourceChild
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    ...if it ain't broke...
    gimme 5 and then don't act surprised

  2. are you surprised??????

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  3. #3
    what did they break now?

  4. #4
    Pretty much everything, don't go near it with a barge pole for the time being, Catalyst won't even launch in it's current form!

    Let's hope it's a little while before they do another Mac Pro hardware refresh and we are all screwed again like the whole ATI driver debacle!

  5. #5
    There isnt a SINGLE useful feature in Lion to pro users-

    nothing-



    -

    they seem to be trying to turn the OS into iOS-

    and totally dumping people who dont do this-

    Final Cut PRO X- indicates the extent of the problems

    its a total abomination-

    which doesnt even pay lip service to existing workflows-

    they have dumped all the pro drivers and pro quicktime support stuff thats been around for 10-15 years

  6. #6
    I've been installing beta versions and testing capabilities.

    In short, it goes like this.

    Apple makes Leopard. Leopard is made with all sorts of new feature (many inside that people are unaware of). It is build with an architecture derived of large and clunky but solid structured code (Carbon). The parts of the system that are new are solidified an further tested.

    Once Leopard is wide spread and tested, they completely re-write the structured code and replace the large clunky pieces with refined streamlined objects that can further be enhanced and extended in the future.

    This new Object oriented codebase is called Snow-Leopard and although is very similar on the surface, is radically thinner and faster on the inside.

    At this point Snow Leopard is the epitome of where OS X is developed to from an "under the hood" perspective. This will ultimately be the code base used for a long time.

    Then Lion comes along... Truth be known, Lion is simple a package of enhancements which install atop Snow Leopard. In fact, you cannot even install Lion from scratch but must install Snow Leopard as a foundation first.

    Then the enhancement "Lion" packaged is deployed on top.

    In the world of UNIX, Lion is paper thin and nothing but fluff. However, in the world of quick apps and development, Lion opens doors for a huge amount of extensibility within and beyond Apple's dev teams.

    Unfortunately though, all those enhancements do not increase the performance of the overall system, especially in areas that simply require raw processing such as with Catalyst.
    SourceChild
    TODD SCRUTCHFIELD

    ...if it ain't broke...
    gimme 5 and then don't act surprised

  7. #7
    You make the same confusion most people get sold on

    "unstructured" "clunky" "carbon" that's utter bollocks

    There is no such thing- most developers prefer c type libraries line carbon
    They are easier to develop with and have less undocumented interactions

    Class libraries are a freaking nightmare- especially when the source is hidden - as it is with iOS

    There is actually a totally different problem
    And that's the completely hidden nature of the objective c source code

    Lion has been awful because apple has been fascistically and unilaterally been breaking old stuff
    Stuff that hasn't even settled down yet


    There is a terrible shifting uncertainty right now- as to what will be obsoleted or broken next

    Witness the disaster of final cut pro x - which is an unmitigated disaster
    Doesn't do anything pros do
    Because all that pro stuff was in stuff written 10 years ago - and still stable and working

    Quote Originally Posted by SourceChild View Post
    I've been installing beta versions and testing capabilities.

    In short, it goes like this.

    Apple makes Leopard. Leopard is made with all sorts of new feature (many inside that people are unaware of). It is build with an architecture derived of large and clunky but solid structured code (Carbon). The parts of the system that are new are solidified an further tested.

    Once Leopard is wide spread and tested, they completely re-write the structured code and replace the large clunky pieces with refined streamlined objects that can further be enhanced and extended in the future.

    This new Object oriented codebase is called Snow-Leopard and although is very similar on the surface, is radically thinner and faster on the inside.

    At this point Snow Leopard is the epitome of where OS X is developed to from an "under the hood" perspective. This will ultimately be the code base used for a long time.

    Then Lion comes along... Truth be known, Lion is simple a package of enhancements which install atop Snow Leopard. In fact, you cannot even install Lion from scratch but must install Snow Leopard as a foundation first.

    Then the enhancement "Lion" packaged is deployed on top.

    In the world of UNIX, Lion is paper thin and nothing but fluff. However, in the world of quick apps and development, Lion opens doors for a huge amount of extensibility within and beyond Apple's dev teams.

    Unfortunately though, all those enhancements do not increase the performance of the overall system, especially in areas that simply require raw processing such as with Catalyst.

  8. #8
    wonder how much trouble this means for the future?? Any clue?

  9. #9
    Catalyst uses the stuff that final cut pro 7 uses

    Apple made some catastrophic design decisions a few years ago
    to deprecate older and useful stuff- the stuff that final cut pro uses

    Hence the final cut x catastrophe - killing a professional tool over night

    Right now they seem to be more interested in their phones than pro users

    QuickTime player x - which does nothing useful - seems to be the direction they have moved in

  10. #10
    don't let em kill Cat Richard ha....

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