Every time I think Radeon, I think of my first dual head card I got on sale to stick in an old PC. It was $85 and a deal. Of course it was a deal because it's a cheap card.

Geforce isn't much better. One thing I think about when I see the new 8800 is the lamination of fire on the outside. It might look like fire but I who the hell cares about what a graphics card looks like when it's inside the damned machine.

Once I see a test that the 8800 matches or outperforms the x1900, I'll be sold on it but right now as far as catalyst is concerned I don't much care for Apple.