15/oct/14
m466B
replacement for m364
compatible with v5 dongles
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rao9ucu0oz...m466B.dmg?dl=0
password xenon
bug reports to bugs@samsc.com - please
thanks
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15/oct/14
m466B
replacement for m364
compatible with v5 dongles
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rao9ucu0oz...m466B.dmg?dl=0
password xenon
bug reports to bugs@samsc.com - please
thanks
Great to see this released. Thanks for all of the hard work Richard!
Nev.
Ditto Richard, thank you.
In case anyone doesn't know Mavericks has more restrictive security for third party apps - when you (first) double click Catalyst the OS will refuse to open it. To get round this *right* click (or cmd-click) and choose open, you'll then get the option to open it or not. Like grown ups.
Best
Tim
Dear Richard,
Thank you and congratulations for this release, many of us been anxious for it, and we know it took a lot of time and effort from you..
I can report a real world test with a full spec new Mac Pro, I got 19 layers of 1920x1080 @ 25fps playing back seamlessly (encoded as AIC using Cat's built in conversion). This was on 10.9.2 and I had a couple of crashes during programming but only until I converted the media. Media played from the Mac Pro's boot drive (1TB SSD). What else? All on one mix, many of the layers in colour fx 85, many using visual fx 204...
In short. Wow.
T.
hey Tim - sounds similar to my testing - I got 19-20 1080 playback layers also
Still testing capture with external chassis.
Nev.
It sounds great. How is config of your mac? (grafic, proc, etc…)
Cheers Richard!
Laura
Please post back if you have any info on capture with an external chassis, I would be very interested to know what seems to work.
are any of these tests being done on a base model? If not what are the machine specs? Thanks
Hi ajmaudio, my tests were done on a "maxed out" Mac Pro (i.e. with all upgrades possible from the Apple Store online)
New Mac Pro users may be interested in this by the way: http://www.tuaw.com/2014/03/27/a-rac...march-27-2014/
Ok.. thanks for that... now hopefully someone has tested a lower powered config... interested to see the difference. Also.. did you run your OS and content of of the same internal drive? If so did you partition it? If not what did you do. Thanks!
I am actually a tad shocked at the performance you guys are getting... wonder where all this extra throughput is coming from..
People need to try the prores codecs
Prores proxy is fastest
Prores lt about same as AIC
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I made no graphics changes for mavericks or new Mac Pro
Same code runs on 10.6 - 10.9
Performance all comes from apple hardware and software
New mac pro Internal ssd is about 6 times faster than old Mac Pro discs
Os Performance has increased gradually since 10.6
how doe proxy compare to say AIC in quality
You should test - see if you can see any difference
All codecs quality depends on content
I always edit using prores proxy files - as it's the fastest on laptops
Testing with a Base model Mac Pro3.7GHz quad-core with 10MB of L3 cache
12GB (3x4GB) of 1866MHz DDR3 ECC
256GB PCIe-based flash storage
Dual AMD FirePro D300 GPUs with 2GB of GDDR5 VRAM each
Appears very stable running 16 streams of HD and 1 4k - before I had any frame rates drop below 25fps.
I need some help on how I might be able to hook up more than 2 outputs.
Cheers
Michael
:)
Thanks Richard. I will try when I get a chance... currently on a tour running Prores 422 and pretty happy. I will certainly try proxy on one a laptop rig and report performance. I am mostly interested in any "perceivable" difference in proxy and 422 in typical touring usage.
I use pro-res 422 LT if it is something with text that needs to be very clear and readable or things that are going to have a close more critical viewing location. Other than that pro-res proxy typically works fine and you can't really tell the difference. You will be able to run MANY more layers in proxy then with AIC in any testing that I have done, so I prefer to use it if I can.
We have some mac minis that we can run 6 layers of 4352 x 720 without a frame drop at 30 fps in pro-res proxy, so mac pros will smoke…
On older mac pros - approx indication of performance difference
1080p
There are 5 different prores codecs with very different performance
Prores 4444 - 1layer
Prores hq - 2
Prores 422 - 3
Prores lt - 5
Prores proxy 6-8
So you adjust for how many layers you need
More layers- use faster codec
Less layers - use slower ones
Further testing on Number of outputs from the New Pro pro reveals that you can only get 3 outputs with a combination of DVI and HDMI. Apparently by using dual link DVI cables there will be more outputs available. I have ordered 4 dual links to see what can occur. You can connect 6 thunderbolt monitors - however not much use to us.
We also found that HDCP can be implemented on some switches - we found injecting a Parrot into the chain solved that HDCP problem.
I will let you all know the outcome of the Dual Link DVI testing.
Michael
You have to use active dual link adaptors
Which usually means they need to be the powered types
I think display port triple and dual heads to go might work as well
Some people have also tested x4s with 4k outputs
Also there are only 3 output thunderbolt buses- they are paired up- so output monitors in some configurations need to be set up to take account of this
I am very happy for the update, will try out as soon as possible...
regards,
OK, So I am putting together a venue where we will have 3 plasmas in a 1 x 3 vertical config. I wanted to use a new mac pro with an X4. I should be able to take a mini-display port to dual link DVI, (bus powered ok?) and go into an X4. If I output 3840 x 2160 on the mac, and then use the X4 to slice it up into the appropriate orientation that should work right?
They actually have 2 columns and I was originally going to just mirror them with DAs but is it maybe possible to have two X4s, running 2x4k and then?
Anyone tried testing this setup yet? I have not had access to two x4s.
Yes - should work. We've done this...
You need to use an active Dual-Link DVI adaptor to connect to the X4
But - do test the playback and ensure the movies are running at the correct speed - don't just rely on the frame counter... check against a real-time source.
I would use the DVI-DA option rather than 2x Datapath X4 as will put less load on the system (and probably be a cheaper option)
However, the image rotation can be done in catalyst with the mix windows... you don't have to do this with the X4.
Whatever you do - TEST TEST TEST... MacPro 6,1 and mavericks are new technology and we are finding new idiosyncrasies every day!...
OK thanks for getting back to me,
The active Dual Link adapters, can I use the apple one that is bus powered? Or should I get something that has an actual AC adapter to it?
I am not as concerned about real time clock as it is just loops for an install, I just need to make sure all 3 screens are in sync as they will form a vertical panorama so to speak. Sync IDs should be fine internally I would hope.
In your experience, in terms of performance load on the machine, does it make more sense to play back 1 x 4k file and just split it up with offsets in the mix windows or play back 4 x 1080? I have never been able to actually try this side by side and see yet, just curious
I think just because I want to use less layers I will do 1 x 4k and split it up....
use the apple MDP to Dual-Link adaptor which is USB powered
YES YOU DO NEED TO ME CONCERNED!!... what I meant was that you need to ensure that the content is playing back correctly and check the expected length against a 'real-world' clock to ensure that it is not playing slow.
Or it may look glitchy and suttery if you are over-driving the system...
You should be especially concerned if you were considering syncing 3 different layers - how would you guarantee they were in sync and not skipping frames???
a single layer running 1 video file assigned to 3 mixes will work.
The image in the 3 mixes need to be rotated, offset.
The mixes then need to be positined to lineup with the X4 window settings.
wrong aproach... (see above)
yes
but 4K not required
3x 1920x1080 vertical screens = 3240x1920
possible - but no point if you use the mix window approach...
S
OK cool,
Thanks for all the help Simon,
Yes I suppose I do not need a 4k, since I can do 1920 as a height, good call...
For the sake of argument though, if I had 3240 x 1920 or three 1920x1080 files playing, which do you think would be more efficient on the system?
I tend to think more smaller files, but I have no basis for this assumption other than I feel like larger files tend to just not be handled well by anything.
Also there are so many options for the Mac Pro, what options should I be looking for to do this kind of setup with 1 output to an x4, doing 3240 x 1080?
I am trying to quote this out and I don't really have access to many models to find the best one for the job at the moment.
Either option will work - but your workflow will be easier with a single file.
bear in mind that it doesnt have to be exactly the same pixel size... it could be smaller so long as its the same ratio (and an even number)
Just watch the data rate on a single large file.
Only way to find out is to TEST.
Base spec should do it fine...
or if you have the budget, the base spec with the top spec graphics card.
Try and borrow one to test first if you're worried...
Don't rely on other peoples test results.
S
Hi,
I tried this m466 on a retina macbook over ML (Mac OS 10.8.6),
with a thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor,
I got a recurring "Network output error -1" like if it doesn't recognize the Ethernet port.
The rest seemed to work pretty well.
Exact same setup on m364 worked like a charm, including ArtNET input/output.
Is this m466 release supposed to be compatible with 10.8 ?
I will try next week the same setup on 10.9 and I'll tell you.
No, m466 is mavericks only to my knowledge, network library or something is different. So 364 will give you that same error on mavericks and vice versa.
Ignore that...
Network / Artnet connectivity should still work. However, due to the network library changes, The Catalyst Control window only shows information for network port en0 (compared to any versions prior to m466)
en0 is the first physical network port on a Mac. However, this varies depending on the Mac hardware (MacBook / Mac-Mini / MacPro)
On a MacBook, en0 is the wi-fi adaptor
on a Mac-Mini and MacPro its the Rj45 port
If you are using a Thunderbolt-ethernet or USB to Ethernet adaptor, it will probably appear as en1 on a MacBook
However - the port id doesn't matter - so long as the IP address and Subnet are valid, it should work fine for both Artnet input and output.
m466 works fine in both instances on MacPro 5,1 OS 10.6.8 / 10.8.5 / 10.9.2
and MacPro 6,1 OS 10.9.2
Not vice-versa:
m364 will not work in Mavericks OS 10.9.x
Only m466 will work in Mavericks OS 10.9.x
m466 will also work in OS 10.6.8 / 10.8.5
Simon
The second time I can't update Text at inbuilt web server in visual fx nº 97, it says: Safari can't open the web.
And too it insert "textMUnumber=" in all texts.
It isn't only my problem ¿¿¿???
Thanks!!!