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samsc
04-10-2007, 03:08 PM
04 oct 07 - m147

Please test-

- obsolete
Some new features-

20% improvement in photojpeg performance.
Improved support for 'Apple intermediate codec', dvcproHD, and other hi-def codecs.
Apple intermediate codec gives up to 7 layers @ 25fps 1080p on 8 core Mac pro and MTRON sata SSD on intel.
Previews in sub-mixes
Intensity smoothness for desks with low dmx rates. Hogpc seems to only do 20FPS of dmx which isnt good enough for smooth intensity fades.
Up to 250 universes in pixelmad - test version.
Direct control of Folsom imagepro over ethernet
Exporting movies in different codec.

16 oct 07 m150 - fixes-
Video input flickering fix- hopefully gone for good.
mix preview wrong orientation.
IoLD Kona (http://www.aja.com/html/products_Io_IoLAD.html) crash firewire to sdi input box- fixed - seems to work now.
movement smoothness override - so you can always have it on.
presetHUD Positions for Datapath VQS-01 (http://www.datapath.co.uk/vqs01.htm) 4 way dvi/vga splitter.
Save all preferences now menu option.
some blending glitches in curved and keystone mixes now have a menu item in mix options - until i sort it out.

18 oct 07 m152
Added mix size of 1400x 1050. thanks hilary
increased submix size to 1680x1200- ( this is really pushing things on older machines.... and non x1900 graphics cards... ).
people need more sub mixes- changed mixes to lite-4 express-6 dv-8. jojo.
fixed crash with random release from hog with framestore playback. thanks spooky.

FinnRoss
04-10-2007, 03:43 PM
will test this evening!

emilianomorgia
04-10-2007, 03:45 PM
This release it's much more bigger in size of any other .

Why ?

Because it contain new TEST movies in the high priority library .

samsc
04-10-2007, 03:48 PM
This release it's much more bigger in size of any other .

Why ?

Because it contain new TEST movies in the high priority library .

yes. the test files mean i can test peoples systems with files i know-

there is also an 8 channel audio file - in case people need to test multichannel audio.

Improve
04-10-2007, 03:57 PM
That's a big step, from 132 to 147...

Will test tomorrow when we install the 360° panorama again. Richard, you will have the change to see for yourself this weekend in Delft!!! :)

Let's see if this version survives the Digital Lighting University....

samsc
04-10-2007, 04:19 PM
That's a big step, from 132 to 147...



its always constant improvement and changes-

its also possible to do 2x DVCProHD 1080 files with this build and an MTRON SSD - with a quad intel 2.66Ghz.

Peter
04-10-2007, 07:34 PM
I will test this weekend. I havent got the MTRON for the moment so i will try with Raptors.

Looks very nice for what i need.

Martin Heuser
04-10-2007, 11:23 PM
hi richard,

i am testing 147 with my macbookpro, just to see whats new.
i am sitting in the hotel room and i have just some small movies.

here is what i found out:

- to be able to switch mixes as layer preview is a very good thing,
i like the "prefader" version very much. it is very good to see what a layer is doing, just befor moving intensity up. why is "prefader" not possible WITH FX?

- i made mix 8 as a Sub MIX Preview and i ran a movie on layer 1, switch that to mix 1 though 7. in the mix 8 window (submix preview) only mix 1 and mix 2 came up, all others keep white...?

- mix type "flat constant aspect ratio" -> backgound color ist always black,
i can choose the colour including transparent, but it is always black, even if there is no layer routet to this mix or no content is shown?
same with mix type "flat locked to corners" and "keystone"

- when I am in "curved" mix type, i am missing the "rotate points" function from the "keystone" mode... i LOVE the 16 points to do warp on my mix, that is the greatest and fastest way for me to bring my shape in the right place, but it would be great to first rotate the whole thing in the right angle and then start moving all those great 16 points, specially when you are working with the orbital mirror head

that is all for now, my last question is: when are we doing 16 layers?

all the best

MARTIN HEUSER
www.VISUAL-ART.org
Gemany

emilianomorgia
05-10-2007, 12:01 AM
i like the "prefader" version very much. it is very good to see what a layer is doing, just befor moving intensity up. why is "prefader" not possible WITH FX?


There is a With FX

FinnRoss
05-10-2007, 12:15 AM
Video Input FX appears to be broken? The option in preferences is graeyd out on all systems I've tested. This appears on Intel Mac Pros, MacBook Pro and old G5's. Have I missed something?

PhotoJPEG performance improvement noticeable on Intel and G5. Lovely.

DVC PRO HD, which was already good is now very good.

Fades also a noticeable improvement with Hog 3 PC.

Nice Work.

Martin Heuser
05-10-2007, 01:41 AM
There is a With FX


yes, that's right but this is just POSTFADER, i can only see that when intensity is up

i was looking for PREFADER WITH FX, right now prefader is working, i can se what is in the layer, without having intensity on the output, but this is without the FX. so i just now which movie or picture i selected, not which color or visual FX i use

litemover
05-10-2007, 03:33 AM
I'll test it, have an 8 core and raid I could test on.

Christian

emilianomorgia
05-10-2007, 07:47 AM
i was looking for PREFADER WITH FX

As far I understood Richard take the old previews from the full screen output and stick it into the sub mix . Prefader with Fx was not available in the full screen output .

Indeed it will be useful .

basicmonkey
05-10-2007, 12:56 PM
I've noticed when playing a layer with audio that the "movies" bar in stats and also the frame rate drops to 0.

samsc
05-10-2007, 01:01 PM
Something no-one has spotted yet....

Have a look in the Files tab in the Library window. Right click on a file and you get the option to re-encode it to whatever codec takes your fancy!

very very useful when presented with content encoded in un-helpful formats!!

Nev.

yes. but thats a secret for now.

samsc
05-10-2007, 01:26 PM
i hadnt finished checking it worked - or always did the right thing!
also the gui is wrong.

Martin Heuser
06-10-2007, 01:45 AM
hi richard,

so, today i did some small test again with my macbookpro.
i played with the custom effects in colour fx.
that is also great stuff!
but no matter which layer i chosed, my changeings always went to layer 1!?!

tomorrow i will hava a little test with a hog 3 connected to the catalyst, to see what the actual lib in the hog3 is doing wioth all the new colour fx features. i have the feeling that the lib like it is right now, will not give me access to all the new fx.... maybe they need to work on the lib again and make new buttons for all those new things.

samsc
06-10-2007, 07:25 AM
hi richard,

so, today i did some small test again with my macbookpro.
i played with the custom effects in colour fx.
that is also great stuff!
but no matter which layer i chosed, my changeings always went to layer 1!?!
.



tomorrow i will hava a little test with a hog 3 connected to the catalyst, to see what the actual lib in the hog3 is doing wioth all the new colour fx features. i have the feeling that the lib like it is right now, will not give me access to all the new fx.... maybe they need to work on the lib again and make new buttons for all those new things.

what do you mean? ( fx 200- 240 have been in the software for at least 6 months ) i just made them do more things

samsc
06-10-2007, 12:02 PM
Video Input FX appears to be broken? The option in preferences is graeyd out on all systems I've tested. This appears on Intel Mac Pros, MacBook Pro and old G5's.



I moved the video input FX enable from the application preferences to the Video InputHUD-

And i turned it off by default - just in case

Mr_P
09-10-2007, 02:03 AM
Video input fx seem to be there - and working - for me... Intel MacBook Pro and Mac Pro 8Core 3G

version was stable on Paris gig Friday - great photojpeg performance with audio on a 12 min file. Not doing anything else except playback, but it worked fine.

Mix sizes: - cant seem to make a mix bigger than 1630x1221 manually. I can select 1920x1080, but f I try to resize it, it jumps back to the smaller dimensions. Tested on 17in MacBook Pro set to 1920x1200. There has to be a maximum size, but its not possible to drag a mix to it even 1920x1080 manually... (only by preset)

Love the right click on files to change the codec.... seems to work ok on what ive tested

Can you enable scrolling on toolbars? ;)

Will feedback more later...
S

FinnRoss
09-10-2007, 11:03 AM
I moved the video input FX enable from the application preferences to the Video InputHUD-

And i turned it off by default - just in case

Found it in the end!

Spam Butterfly
09-10-2007, 03:42 PM
Simon,

Go to sleep!

Hugh

OlliR
09-10-2007, 05:38 PM
Did a bit of testing on MacPro 8xCore 3G with internal striped Raid.

I get two 1920x1080 movies running at constant 25 fps with Photo-JPEG 50% and still one 1920x1080 movies with Photo-JPEG 75%... not too bad.

I also tried the "Run test" option but there I saw some drops to 24 fps (1 Layer) something like every 10 seconds.

For the "preview layer" to sub-mix routing it would be a nice to have if the Layer selection from the "Mix options" would activate / deactivate that layer in the preview...

Some really nice add-ons - nice works Richard.

samsc
09-10-2007, 10:25 PM
Video input fx seem to be there - and working - for me... Intel MacBook Pro and Mac Pro 8Core 3G

version was stable on Paris gig Friday - great photojpeg performance with audio on a 12 min file. Not doing anything else except playback, but it worked fine.


S

try apple intermediate codec.

Martin Heuser
15-10-2007, 11:11 PM
hi richard,

i played again with 147, macbookpro, sorry no dongel right now, waiting for arcus.

i would like to use 147 on my upcoming tour, because of the nice layer preview pre fader option and the mix preview option.

i played again with that and found the mix preview option not working, alls 8 mixes in the preview window are full white, no content.

is that because i had no dongle connected?

any other reason

Martin

tharding
16-10-2007, 03:48 PM
I noticed that when I try to resize a mix window from 1920 x 1080 down to something smaller, say 1920 x 600, the window just snaps to 1300 or so the minute you try moving the resize corner.

Cheers

Toby

samsc
16-10-2007, 03:53 PM
there are some limits because on older systems making larger mixes just kills them.

samsc
16-10-2007, 08:04 PM
i posted m150.
fixes a few little glitches - for details see first post.

please also report experiences with apple intermediate codec.

thanks.

emilianomorgia
16-10-2007, 09:43 PM
What's the problem there ?

Why I can't see mix previews ?

http://homepage.mac.com/emilianomorgia/wrongmix.jpg

samsc
17-10-2007, 02:00 AM
only works for keystone and curved mixes for now.

SourceChild
17-10-2007, 02:03 AM
Hey Richard,

Would you be willing to conduct testing for the Macbook Pro using m150 the same way you did it on the 2.66 quad and 3Gb 8-core using the Mtron?

samsc
17-10-2007, 02:55 AM
Hey Richard,

Would you be willing to conduct testing for the Macbook Pro using m150 the same way you did it on the 2.66 quad and 3Gb 8-core using the Mtron?

what do you mean? dont quite understand

SourceChild
17-10-2007, 03:36 AM
m147 -Preliminary tests on 8Core Mac Pro3.0Ghz with MTRON 32GB SSD Internal 3.5Inch. x1900 4GB ram.

Apple intermediate codec

512x512 14 layers @ 25fps
640x480 14 layers @ 25fps
720x486 14 layers @ 25fps
720x576 14 Layers @ 25fps
768x576 14 layers @ 25fps
800x600 14 layers @ 25fps
1024x768 10 layers @ 25fps
1280x720 9 layers @ 25fps
1440x1080 8 layers @ 25fps
1920x1080 7 layers @ 25fps
2048x1080 7 layers @ 25fps
3072x768 5 layers @ 25fps
4096x2048 1 layer @ 25fps

The avantage of MTRON over rotating discs - is that there are no dropped frames.
And this performance is consistent over every file - regardless of capacity or size of file or disc free space

Richard,

You conducted extensive testing in this other thread showing frame rate and ultimately spit out results for different resolutions. I was eagerly hoping you would do the same for your Macbook Pro and publish them for us.

I am interested in knowing how many layers I could run of DV, PhotoJPG, and Apple Intermediate Codec on a Macbook Pro as a single output and then also using a DualHead2Go or TripleHead2Go on a Macbook Pro.

samsc
17-10-2007, 07:20 AM
Richard,

You conducted extensive testing in this other thread showing frame rate and ultimately spit out results for different resolutions. I was eagerly hoping you would do the same for your Macbook Pro and publish them for us.

I am interested in knowing how many layers I could run of DV, PhotoJPG, and Apple Intermediate Codec on a Macbook Pro as a single output and then also using a DualHead2Go or TripleHead2Go on a Macbook Pro.

there are rather a lot of different models of mac book pro's!
with different firewire ports and configurations and bus speeds- and different graphics options.
they dont have anywhere near the bus bandwidth or graphics power of desktop machines-

with laptops you have to use a different strategy - begin with very low expectations and move upwards if it works.

---

do you have a mac book pro yourself?

samsc
18-10-2007, 10:50 AM
m152-
Added mix size of 1400x 1050. thanks hilary
people need more sub mixes- changed mixes to lite-4 express-6 dv-8. jojo.
fixed crash with random release from hog with framestore playback. thanks spooky.
increased submix size to 1680x1200- ( this is really pushing things on older machines.... ).

tharding
18-10-2007, 01:22 PM
There is still the issue of the size jumping if you are trying to resize the largest size mix.

My scenario is that we are using a Spyder to spread a single output of a 1900xt at 1920 x 1600 over 2 projectors. Ideally I want the mix to be 1920 x 612 pixels. If I size the mix to 1920 x 1080 as per the menu in Mix options it goes to that size no problem. But if I want to drag the corner up to get my 612 size the width snaps to 1710 pixels.

I can get around this with cropping and positioning on the Spyder but I would really like to have it on the Catalyst so I can preview the image at the source and see that my sizing is all correct and that my custom artwork looks as it should.

Cheers

Toby

samsc
18-10-2007, 02:28 PM
There is still the issue of the size jumping if you are trying to resize the largest size mix.

My scenario is that we are using a Spyder to spread a single output of a 1900xt at 1920 x 1600 over 2 projectors. Ideally I want the mix to be 1920 x 612 pixels. If I size the mix to 1920 x 1080 as per the menu in Mix options it goes to that size no problem. But if I want to drag the corner up to get my 612 size the width snaps to 1710 pixels.

I can get around this with cropping and positioning on the Spyder but I would really like to have it on the Catalyst so I can preview the image at the source and see that my sizing is all correct and that my custom artwork looks as it should.

Cheers

Toby

the limit is 1680 + a little bit-
im really concerned about performance on older machines.
this really has a serious impact on graphics cards.

samsc
20-10-2007, 08:20 AM
Image Pro control

Recent software builds after around m145 - have included my experimental direct folsom imagepro control panel

http://video.folsom.com/products/?index=1070327722_18404

I have written a control panel to read and write parameters directly to the imagepro over ethernet-

You can read the settings on all 4 inputs.
Switch between inputs.
Enter exact zoom and scale positions.

To use the device- you need to set the imagepro to use a static ip address
To enter the address of the imagepro into catalyst - you click were it says N/A - then type in the address of the device-
When you click OK they should start talking to each other.

Gian
20-10-2007, 12:41 PM
That's great... Screen Pros are the next ?

Regards

Gian

roberto_novelli
29-10-2007, 02:59 PM
Hi chers.
I tested FOLSOM/BARCO IMAGE PRO SD (standard definition)with:
powerpoint 1024 x 768 presentation on PC Laptop in VGA mode in
and SDI output,connected to black magic Extreme HD of my Catalyst.

Working fine at best resolution.
You need to select "INTERLACE OFF" in the HUD input control panel,
relatively to the input are you using.

This features is good during "CONVENTION" where people to use
POWERPOINT presentation.
On wednesday il will check the same test using

FOLSOM/BARCO IMAGE PRO HD (high definition)
to import high resolution POWERPOINT presentation.

Thanks Richard


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Spam Butterfly
30-10-2007, 11:49 AM
You could of course try a Decklink Intensity...
Get a display capable of displaying 720p60 or an Image Pro HD, program a DVI detective with the EDID information. Plug it into your laptop, and plug a DVI to HDMI cable to connect the output of the DVI detective to go into the Decklink Intensity. Set Catalyst Video Input to look at the Decklink Intensity at 720p60 and off you go... No deinterlacing required (which effectively reduces the resolution), and RGB...

Just a thought...

Hugh

litemover
11-11-2007, 11:47 PM
The Intensity absolutely KILLS performance and reduces framrates by half. I wouldn't go this route.

The Decklink Extreme HD is now the only option for mac pros (895USD)

Christian Choi

samsc
11-11-2007, 11:54 PM
The Intensity absolutely KILLS performance and reduces framrates by half. I wouldn't go this route.

The Decklink Extreme HD is now the only option for mac pros (895USD)

Christian Choi

no it doesnt kill performance - its the nvidia 7300 that does this- like i said. the nvidia 7300 is really stretched doing mulitple outputs.

i have had to replace several with x1900 on shows.

it works fine with x1900. it works fine doing 1080i providing you are not trying to do to many other things at the same time

video input REQUIRES careful consideration of playback, and conservative operation.


you need to replace your 7300.

samsc
11-11-2007, 11:57 PM
The Intensity absolutely KILLS performance and reduces framrates by half. I wouldn't go this route.

The Decklink Extreme HD is now the only option for mac pros (895USD)

Christian Choi

Hugh and myself have both used intensity cards successfully on shows.

I have a show at the national theatre running with one now.

samsc
12-11-2007, 12:02 AM
The Intensity absolutely KILLS performance and reduces framrates by half. I wouldn't go this route.

The Decklink Extreme HD is now the only option for mac pros (895USD)

Christian Choi

intensity has much better latency than decklink hd.

SourceChild
15-11-2007, 10:51 AM
increased submix size to 1680x1200


The digital Dual Head 2 Go boxes are now capable of outputting 3840x1200 or 3840x1080.

I have been wondering about the performance of a machine outputting this and using the second output as a HUD for show control.

The problem would be the need of having submix sizes up to 1920x1200 or 1920x1080.