6 live video inputs. What hardware?

[clighthall]

I was just wondering what hardware was involved with getting 6 live video inputs with the new build of V4?


Chris

[Gian]

Those capture cards can go up to 16 th Video Inputs in Composite.

Active silicon LFG4 video digitisers.
http://www.activesilicon.co.uk/products_fg_lfg.htm

Richard SAMSC posted another thread with that information...

[samsc]

If you buy these cards - mention me - you need to get drivers from me.

[RedLightning]

I admit I only did a quick look around but couldn't find them for sale, who is selling them in North America?

-s

[samsc]

I admit I only did a quick look around but couldn't find them for sale, who is selling them in North America?

-s

shaun.saber at activesilicon.com

mention you are using catalyst from me.

uk/europe try

simone.dale at activesilicon.co.uk

[saoirse]

hello SAMSC,

Did you test the Catalyst System with 6 video inputs??? Which hardware did you use and were the video streams played in realtime?

best wishes
saoirse

[samsc]

i have several shows up and running with 6-8 realtime video inputs.

using the hardware listed in this thread.

[saoirse]

hello,

there is only one video capture card importing more than 6 video simultanously.

But I only wanted to know the performance of the processor and if the videos were or are synchronise - things like that. Because I have not the chance to test it...

best wishes
saorise

[Gian]

I don't know why, SAMSC maybe can answer that to you, but we normaly use like 2 Video Inputs, and they do not use any MOVIES graphic use, as well the processor,... looks like the Video Inputs goes almost directly to the output.
I am shure they use some resources of the machinne, but I can not see it the computer working so hard.

[samsc]

video input uses a different part of processor, and its not so easy to measure the performance, and its not in catalyst application.

video input typically gets a delay - if computer is doing too much - but the delay isnt in catalyst its in the way operating system deals with video input.

the lfg4 cards dont work in the same way as decklink cards.

[RedLightning]

The card looks really interesting, and pretty reasonably priced ($995.US)

What drivers are required?

Which exact version for a Mac Pro?

-s

[samsc]

you need to ask active silicon what the exact card is for your machine.

i have drivers that need to be used.

[Ianp]

Hi Richard,

You have indicated in your replies that you have drivers for the AS cards. Where do i locate them please?

Thanks

ianp

[samsc]

please try this:

http://homepage.mac.com/goatee/.Public/LFG%20Direct%20Driver%202.0.dmg

[emilianomorgia]

the lfg4 cards dont work in the same way as decklink cards.

Better drivers ?

[samsc]

they dont use quicktime.

[Ianp]

Richard,

Thanks for the drivers, I have installed these and I can still not get any input. Do you have any ideas?

Thanks

Ian

[samsc]

which computer?

did you turn them on in application preferences?

what do you see in the inputs HUD?

[Ianp]

Hi Richard,

The MAC is a 2.66Ghz MAC Pro Running 10.4.8.


The peferences are set up correctly as per your screen shot.

In the catalyst control it reports 4 video channels.

In the HUd, inputs section there are 4 boxes and they show that all video inputs are off. If I tick the box it appears to try to load some settings and then returns back to off. I have tried versions 111 and 097.

Thanks

Ian

[samsc]

please email me your screen captures.

[Ianp]

Richard,

Screen captures as requested. Also, I can get this to work using a Canopus ADVC110.

[samsc]

please do 'make pdf profile' from application menu.

[Ianp]

Richard,

As requested,

Thanks

Ian

[samsc]

Next-

you might need to run an application-

System->Library->CoreServices->Expansion SlotUtility

Select a different configuration in this from the current one - this is an active silicon issue...'
certain computers have intermittent recognition of cards...
reboot computer.

[samsc]

you installed several times the LFG Vdig driver - but an old version that doesnt work with intel macs. LFG VDig1.5 does not work with intel....
you should not install the LFG Vdig driver at all.

Only the software that i told you to.

[Ianp]

Richard,

I have removed the incorrect drivers and run those you provided without success. How do I remove your drivers and then I can remove the card etc and start again. I have also used the system utility as requested and this also does not help

Thanks

Ian

[samsc]

try removing card and putting it back in.

your card gave an error message - i have sent an email to active silicon asking what the error means.

[Ianp]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the update. I have now tried the following

1. remove incorrect drivers and re-install those provided by yourself.
2. remove the card and reinstalled.
3. alternative settings for the bus.
4. remove the additional graphics card and the internal usb card.
5. try all three spare slots.
6. try the above with both 97 and 111 versions. What I have noted is that even if I re-install 97, the first of the four video screens is titled "DV Video - ADVC-110" which I suspect is remaining from my tesp with the Canopus unit.
7. A Canopus ADVC110 unit works with both 97 and 110.

Any further idea's other than the issue with AS card. I have attached the latest PDF.

Thanks

ian

[samsc]

i have no idea.

quite a few people have got it working even last week.
noone in the last few weeks has reported anything like this.


---

Im awaiting a reply from Active silicon about error message.
the card driver reports an error message in the log


LFG 1 Error LFG_DRV_Open status 1f030002 - message Open call to CDA library failed***
I dont expect a reply before monday.

As a last resort you might like to try installing all the updates that apple made last week.

[Ianp]

Richard,

Thanks again, I have installed the apple files without success. I have also re-installed all the Catalyst sw along with the drivers for the card, again without succes.

I have noticed that there appear to be two versions of the card driver, 2.0 and 2-1.0, I have installed the latest.

Looks like the answer ies with AS, possibly a faulty card???

Thanks and have a good weekend.

Ian

[samsc]

yes.

i got an error message from their driver - so im waiting for their reply.

[roberto_novelli]

i confirm.
i'm working with LFG4 and under guide by Richard,i used
as-lfg-mac-sdk-v02_00_00.dmg and LFG direct driver 2.0.dmg
after enabled it all video input was ok.:D

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[roberto_novelli]

ian i read on your profile this specs:

21:22:26 ian-parkins-computer : User picked Easy Install
Mar 2 21:22:26 ian-parkins-computer : Choices selected for installation:
Mar 2 21:22:26 ian-parkins-computer : Upgrade: "Active Silicon LFG VDig"
Mar 2 21:22:26 ian-parkins-computer : as-lfg_vdig-1_5.pkg : uk.co.activesilicon.lfgvdigx : 1.5.0.1.5

and this:

21:22:27 ian-parkins-computer : Preparing local booted disk
Mar 2 21:22:27 ian-parkins-computer : Create temporary directory "/private/tmp/as-lfg_vdig-1_5.pkg.210EJAWe6"
Mar 2 21:22:27 ian-parkins-computer : Processing Active Silicon LFG VDig:

and this:

Hardware: MacPro1,1 @ 2660 MHz (x4), 1024 MB
Mar 2 21:22:03 ian-parkins-computer : Running OS Build: 8N1250
Mar 2 21:22:03 ian-parkins-computer : Active Silicon LFG VDig Installation Log
Mar 2 21:22:03 ian-parkins-computer : Opened from: /Volumes/as-lfg_vdig-1_5/as-lfg_vdig-1_5.pkg
Mar 2 21:22:03 ian-parkins-computer : It took 0.627795 seconds to finish launching.
Mar 2 21:22:05 ian-parkins-computer : Distribution: Active Silicon LFG VDig
Mar 2 21:22:05 ian-parkins-computer : Installation checks completed successfully.


you have to unistall completely LFG Vdig drivers and reinstall the
drivers reiceved from Richard.

Uninstalling the Video Driver (VDIG)
You will need to know the root/Administrator password to perform a driver uninstall.
1. Open up a terminal window from a 'Finder' window:
Run '/Applications/Utilities/Terminal'.
2. Type the following commands exactly as shown:
sudo rm -rf /Library/QuickTime/lfgvdigx.component
sudo rm -rf /System/Library/Extensions/cdapci.kext
sudo rm -rf "/Library/Documentation/Active Silicon"
exit
3. Then close the terminal window, shutdown and restart the computer.

your error probability is ref. a different library cdapci.kext for not INTEL MAC.

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[samsc]

thanks Roberto-

i think you are right - he installed the PPC version of the CDAPCI.kext.


richard

[Ianp]

Richard,

I have now followed the instructions to uninstall the incorrect drivers and have reloaded those you provided. Unfortunately, o luck, Any idea's?

I have attached the latest pdf

thanks

Ian

[roberto_novelli]

you can see on your profile this:


DR (64.388)-** End Open Prefs - 58 3a
DR (64.401) -** Open Prefs SG 1- 59
LFG Direct mode not enabled

your direct drivers for LFG4 is not enable....
you can do it on CATALYST preferences

and in the config panel put flag on LFG4 direct driver.

this fix your problem.
bye.


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[Ianp]

Hi Roberto / Richard,

I may be missing something here, however, when I go to preference - video input, the box enable lfg direct api is enabled. Where do I go from here?

best regards

Ian

[emilianomorgia]

Hi Roberto / Richard,

I may be missing something here, however, when I go to preference - video input, the box enable lfg direct api is enabled. Where do I go from here?

best regards

Ian

some some reason it's disable .

PREF VideoInput/LFGDirectEnable -- OFF
PREF VideoInput/LFGBlueCut -- OFF

. this is not helpy in this case , but I suggest to run 4,6m111 in a new folder , do not run it in the same folder where older versions preference files was stored in .

[Ianp]

Hi,

just tried the sw in a new folder and it still does not work.

Regards

Ian

[samsc]

where are you?

[emilianomorgia]

Hi,

just tried the sw in a new folder and it still does not work.

Regards

Ian

Sorry , I did a mistake , I was talking about something else

E

[Ianp]

Hi Richard,

Still not having much luck in getting this to work. I have again re-installed the drivers you sent after deleting those incorrectly installed. Do you know what files should be installed by your drivers?

Thanks

Ian

[Ianp]

Richard,

I suspect I may have some hardware issues here. I have just downloaded security spy sw from active silicon and that does not recognise the card at all. Unfortunately I have had to re-install their drivers but I will be able to uninstall them.

What does work is the canopus ADVC110 unit with both Catalyst and Security Spy software. I will try reconfiguring the bus and see if that helps, otherwise I will talk to AS tomorrow.

Any thoughts?

Ian

[samsc]

for security spy to work - as you are using an intel machine - you need the universal beta version of the Active silicon drivers for quicktime.

you initially installed the ppc only version of these drivers.

This is version 1.5

You needed v1.6 universal for this to work - do you have this?

[Ianp]

Richard,

I do not have v.6 drivers. Do you know where I can get them from?

thanks

ian

[samsc]

you need to get them from active silicon.

i do not know what active silicon ship with their cards - but i would expect if you had indicated that you were using a intel mac- they should have given you access to drivers that worked with intel.
but i dont not know.

suggest you call them on monday and ask for intel vdig ( quicktime video digitising )compatible drivers for use with testing with security spy.

[roberto_novelli]

Hi Richard i have as-lfg_vdig-1.6beta2.dmg
I checked to attach the file unsuccesfully.
I sent you by e_mail.
Bye

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[samsc]

you need to check with active silicon - always on the latest versions, as these posts can be read well into the future when any version mentioned here - is way out of date.

please try not to mention any specific versions, or post links to them.

[Ianp]

Hi Richard,

AS have now provided updated drivers which work (finally!!).

Thanks fot the help and I have attached the link below

www.activesilicon.co.uk/downloads/as-lfg-mac-apps-v02_00_00.dmg

Many thanks again

Ian

[timjones]

Hey Richard,

I am currently running a Catalyst v3.3 system on a Dual 2GHz G5 with 1Gig of RAM and Mac OS X.

Do you know if this system is suitable and capable of running a PCI-E LFG4 and displaying all four inputs simultaeneously??

Tim Jones
Technical Direction Company
Sydney, Australia

[samsc]

it doesnt work in v3.3. v3.3 only supports 2 inputs.

i havent seen anything less than a dual 2.7 ghz used with these cards.
Active silicon have cards that works in PCI i think.

[SourceChild]

the lfg4 cards dont work in the same way as decklink cards.


Hey Richard, what is the difference? I am debating on using lfg4 cards but would like a comparison report if you have one.

[samsc]

Hey Richard, what is the difference? I am debating on using lfg4 cards but would like a comparison report if you have one.

composite vs sdi - depends on your source material -

depends what you need to do.

I have used them a lot in recent large scale theatre - in theatre image quality is important.